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	<description>Computer Science isn&#039;t a science and it&#039;s not about computers</description>
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		<title>Comment on Mono, Clojure and the price of Free by Shrutarshi Basu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shrutarshi Basu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all for your comments and contribution. I&#039;m glad to see that I&#039;m not the only one who is trying to keep alive the spirit of personal independence in open source software. 

@David: Your post had some very interesting ideas. I doubt that they will be enacted, but perhaps that in itself that the technical people who are actually building the software have better things to do.
@Bob: I&#039;m glad that you&#039;re making your decision based on technical merits and that you&#039;re respecting the right of others to do as they choose.
@Bernd: I fall into the trap of confusing open source and free software. Thanks for calling me out on it. Your point is interesting and I&#039;ll certainly be thinking more about what you said,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for your comments and contribution. I&#8217;m glad to see that I&#8217;m not the only one who is trying to keep alive the spirit of personal independence in open source software. </p>
<p>@David: Your post had some very interesting ideas. I doubt that they will be enacted, but perhaps that in itself that the technical people who are actually building the software have better things to do.<br />
@Bob: I&#8217;m glad that you&#8217;re making your decision based on technical merits and that you&#8217;re respecting the right of others to do as they choose.<br />
@Bernd: I fall into the trap of confusing open source and free software. Thanks for calling me out on it. Your point is interesting and I&#8217;ll certainly be thinking more about what you said,</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mono, Clojure and the price of Free by Manuel</title>
		<link>http://bytebaker.com/2009/07/01/mono-clojure-and-the-price-of-free/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, nice post Shrutarshi!

IMHO a lot of guys would need an injection of pragmatism. This is a problem that we have outside of the computing world, too. Someone is willing to sacrifice reality and practicality in favour of idealism, and someone else are doing the exact opposite (a comparable mistake I think).

The only thing that really matters in the end are the *results* in *reality*. Otherwise you can make a big mistake: being blind to reality and to holding back the computing world in favour of some idealism that should be instead contribute to a better world. A world that is &quot;free&quot; (&quot;you MUST be free&quot;, do you see something wrong with this one?) but less productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, nice post Shrutarshi!</p>
<p>IMHO a lot of guys would need an injection of pragmatism. This is a problem that we have outside of the computing world, too. Someone is willing to sacrifice reality and practicality in favour of idealism, and someone else are doing the exact opposite (a comparable mistake I think).</p>
<p>The only thing that really matters in the end are the *results* in *reality*. Otherwise you can make a big mistake: being blind to reality and to holding back the computing world in favour of some idealism that should be instead contribute to a better world. A world that is &#8220;free&#8221; (&#8221;you MUST be free&#8221;, do you see something wrong with this one?) but less productive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mono, Clojure and the price of Free by Casper Bang</title>
		<link>http://bytebaker.com/2009/07/01/mono-clojure-and-the-price-of-free/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>Casper Bang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s scary sometimes how much software religion and politics dominate engineering and state-of-the-art, which is really what we should be focused on. Mono is more than capable of standing on its own. You gotta wonder about this whole overreaction thing had it been any other company than Microsoft behind .NET.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s scary sometimes how much software religion and politics dominate engineering and state-of-the-art, which is really what we should be focused on. Mono is more than capable of standing on its own. You gotta wonder about this whole overreaction thing had it been any other company than Microsoft behind .NET.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mono, Clojure and the price of Free by Bernd Jendrissek</title>
		<link>http://bytebaker.com/2009/07/01/mono-clojure-and-the-price-of-free/#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernd Jendrissek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Stallman is a very inspiring figure who has done a lot of work for open source&quot;

You may not agree with him on many things, but let&#039;s show the man some more respect than lumping him in with the Open Source crowd.  And let&#039;s let go of the Hurd straw man, shall we?

&quot;if you are trying to tell people that they can’t use or distribute some piece of software, then ...&quot; - no, you are better than MS, since you [the Free Software idealists / dictators] aren&#039;t locking anyone into your system, unlike them.  Nobody&#039;s holding a gun to your head and MAKING you not use Mono/whatever; they&#039;re simply declining to make it easy for you to sell yourself into slavery.  (I don&#039;t necessarily agree with the Mono-is-evil point, FWIW.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Stallman is a very inspiring figure who has done a lot of work for open source&#8221;</p>
<p>You may not agree with him on many things, but let&#8217;s show the man some more respect than lumping him in with the Open Source crowd.  And let&#8217;s let go of the Hurd straw man, shall we?</p>
<p>&#8220;if you are trying to tell people that they can’t use or distribute some piece of software, then &#8230;&#8221; &#8211; no, you are better than MS, since you [the Free Software idealists / dictators] aren&#8217;t locking anyone into your system, unlike them.  Nobody&#8217;s holding a gun to your head and MAKING you not use Mono/whatever; they&#8217;re simply declining to make it easy for you to sell yourself into slavery.  (I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with the Mono-is-evil point, FWIW.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mono, Clojure and the price of Free by Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts on this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/03/bakers-dozen/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my blog&lt;/a&gt;, but I am largely in agreement with the thinking behind things. 

@Simon
&quot;...hark back to the days of yore when Microsoft was guilty of unpleasant behavior...&quot;?

Ha! You make it sound like 100 years ago Microsoft got a bit tipsy and spoke out of turn at a company picnic. Microsoft is still - as in this current year, 2009AD infringing treaty rules, abusing its position, and generally up to no good. Maybe a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;short read&lt;/a&gt; (PDF) would bring you up to date?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts on this on <a href="http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/03/bakers-dozen/" rel="nofollow">my blog</a>, but I am largely in agreement with the thinking behind things. </p>
<p>@Simon<br />
&#8220;&#8230;hark back to the days of yore when Microsoft was guilty of unpleasant behavior&#8230;&#8221;?</p>
<p>Ha! You make it sound like 100 years ago Microsoft got a bit tipsy and spoke out of turn at a company picnic. Microsoft is still &#8211; as in this current year, 2009AD infringing treaty rules, abusing its position, and generally up to no good. Maybe a <a href="http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf" rel="nofollow">short read</a> (PDF) would bring you up to date?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mono, Clojure and the price of Free by mono-nono</title>
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		<dc:creator>mono-nono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at the ByteBaker, Shrutarshi Basu has an interesting commentary on the latest mono issue. Worth a read, and of course I&#8217;ll provide my commentary as well for you, Gentle [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at the ByteBaker, Shrutarshi Basu has an interesting commentary on the latest mono issue. Worth a read, and of course I&#8217;ll provide my commentary as well for you, Gentle [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mono, Clojure and the price of Free by Florian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Florian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, using whatever works for you to get the job done, no matter what legal, licensing, patenting or trademarking situation imposes that on you is all fine and dandy...

But don&#039;t come crying foul if some big bad  and ends you, your software, your users, your project and the community at large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, using whatever works for you to get the job done, no matter what legal, licensing, patenting or trademarking situation imposes that on you is all fine and dandy&#8230;</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t come crying foul if some big bad  and ends you, your software, your users, your project and the community at large.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mono, Clojure and the price of Free by Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate mono, because I think .NET is garbage, but whatever if ppl want to develop in it what do i care?  I think FSF is afraid of MS trying to wedge into linux.  Maybe thats valid, I dont know, especially after they invested in SCO.

But honestly, who really cares.  If someone is really as misguided as to want to develop in C# on linux, then go for it.  Rock it.  Ill judge by the app that I want or need to use, not by what a pack of open source ambulance chasers tell me to do.

Seriously, linux needs to shed a few lawyers, its getting ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate mono, because I think .NET is garbage, but whatever if ppl want to develop in it what do i care?  I think FSF is afraid of MS trying to wedge into linux.  Maybe thats valid, I dont know, especially after they invested in SCO.</p>
<p>But honestly, who really cares.  If someone is really as misguided as to want to develop in C# on linux, then go for it.  Rock it.  Ill judge by the app that I want or need to use, not by what a pack of open source ambulance chasers tell me to do.</p>
<p>Seriously, linux needs to shed a few lawyers, its getting ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mono, Clojure and the price of Free by Simon</title>
		<link>http://bytebaker.com/2009/07/01/mono-clojure-and-the-price-of-free/#comment-352</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last! Somebody who talks sense and isn&#039;t some kind of open source fundamentalist. Glad to know we&#039;re not alone. What really gets me is the people that whinge and whine about Mono or indeed anything Microsoft is that almost to a man, they know absolutely *nothing* about the technology. They sit on the sidelines and point fingers and hark back to the days of yore when Microsoft was guilty of unpleasant behaviour and completely ignore all the changes since that time. Like all fundamentalists they are completely stuck in one time frame and state of mind and are entirely unable to move on and see things in a new light. They also in my opinion, seem hell bent on making the software industry a support industry only. Who i their right minds would buy software if the source is available? Yet these very people pay their bills by the very same means. They don&#039;t seem to understand which side their toast is buttered on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last! Somebody who talks sense and isn&#8217;t some kind of open source fundamentalist. Glad to know we&#8217;re not alone. What really gets me is the people that whinge and whine about Mono or indeed anything Microsoft is that almost to a man, they know absolutely *nothing* about the technology. They sit on the sidelines and point fingers and hark back to the days of yore when Microsoft was guilty of unpleasant behaviour and completely ignore all the changes since that time. Like all fundamentalists they are completely stuck in one time frame and state of mind and are entirely unable to move on and see things in a new light. They also in my opinion, seem hell bent on making the software industry a support industry only. Who i their right minds would buy software if the source is available? Yet these very people pay their bills by the very same means. They don&#8217;t seem to understand which side their toast is buttered on!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mono, Clojure and the price of Free by Tres Walsh</title>
		<link>http://bytebaker.com/2009/07/01/mono-clojure-and-the-price-of-free/#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator>Tres Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU! Finally someone mentions that open source is about choice, not forcing your opinions and principals on others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU! Finally someone mentions that open source is about choice, not forcing your opinions and principals on others.</p>
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